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Posted 8 months ago

 

I found this post online regarding suggesting Employers should share an employee black list online. I thought it was interesting and wanted to share. My question is what if one is out there and has your name on it. How would you feel?


 


Call this the evil post of the day.


Every company has its share of horror stories with regards to hiring and professional employees. We provide training solutions on professionalism so we know the kind of painful unprofessional employees our IT industry deals with.


Despite following structured interviewing techniques, we have still stacked up our list of people to just not consider again.


The question is: Shouldn’t there be a way for the entire IT industry to “post” their blacklists into a common pool so all of the HR departments can share within themselves?


Think about the benefits for a second: I can goto a website, enter an NIC and get an immediate history of the candidate and his comments from other employers. For candidates, they could only swindle a company once or twice, because after that we would just know he wouldn’t be able to do anything.


There are other types of issues they can solve as well. Currently, the way companies opt to build some insurance for their hiring is to (1) ask for transcripts / job letters from previous employers and (2) check references. The basic reasons this is not an effective method is (1) Most Work Experience letters are too general (2) If I need someone desperately, I may not care too much about whether his basic credentials hold up


However, if some applicant burned me, wasted my time, worked for a week and stole things (that has actually happened with colleagues), then I would certainly ensure that I write this into the central blacklist so that atleast other companies dont have to suffer this fate.


I think there would be two different ways of approaching this:


1- Make it community driven

I may not want to know what company XYZ thought about a candidate because I could be in an unrelated field (e.g. Call Centers to Product Dev). But I would care who my trusted circle of colleagues have come across and are warning me about.


So perhaps we can have a way for groups of companies to form small networks where they can share their lists. This could make the system self balancing and protect companies from vandalism — if I invite someone into the group, then I am somewhat responsible for that person’s actions..


2- Make it completely anonymous.

Dont give me the company names, or the candidate names. Let me search on an NIC number, and give me completely anonymous comments from other companies. Then give my company a password to the system only if I register on PSEB.


There are some issues with things like this, where evil HR Managers could vandalise the system by, e.g. putting up their boss in the blacklist in case they’re having a bad day (yes, that has happened!)


But I think if the system is decentralized (as in #1 above), and you let people only maintain blacklists with small trusted groups, then this can be solved. See I would be able to detect any anomalies in the system much better than the system or service provider (e.g. PSEB) could, since I would know the other people in the group.


The overall question is: Is it fair on these poor candidates trying to make a living, to not give them another chance and stop their entire career based on minor mistakes?


From my perspective, yes. As much as we would like we are not charitable organizations — business is business, and I would rather protect the business of my partners because of someone who disrupts mine. Ofcourse, there would also need to be some good way of adding positive feedback about that employee as well to add the element of “giving another chance”

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ARTICLE 2


Call for action over 'rampant' blacklisting of workers


By Alan Jones, Press Association




 


The Government was urged to take immediate action today to outlaw the blacklisting of workers after new evidence that the practice was "rampant".



Unions and MPs expressed alarm after an investigation by the Information Commissioner revealed that major construction firms broke data protection laws by paying for information on their employees.


Deputy information commissioner David Smith said information on around 3,000 workers was held by the Consulting Association in paper files and a card index database.


Around 40 construction companies would send the association lists of people they were considering hiring to work on building sites and would then receive details from their files over the phone, he said.


Notes about individual workers included descriptions such as "ex-shop steward, definite problems", "Irish ex-Army, bad egg", while others related to workers who had raised concerns over health and safety issues on sites, such as asbestos removal.


Mr Smith said the companies - including household names and major players in the industry - must have known that what they were doing was wrong.


Alan Ritchie, general secretary of the building workers' union Ucatt, said: "Ucatt members know from bitter experience of being refused work that blacklisting exists in construction.


"However, the extent of the practice and the fact that most of the major companies in construction are involved in the practice is truly shocking.


"It is outrageous that construction workers have been barred from jobs simply for being trade unionists."


Ucatt said it believed Consulting Association was run by an individual formerly employed by the Economic League, the company involved in most of the blacklisting in the 1970s and 1980s.


The revelation of widespread blacklisting has huge implications for construction safety, said the union, adding that Ucatt members and safety representatives have been victimised and dismissed after complaining and whistle-blowing about dangerous sites.


Mr Ritchie added: "Ucatt members have been working to reduce deaths and injuries on sites and trying to work with companies to achieve these aims. We now know that those same companies have connived to dismiss them and block their future employment."


The Government intended to make blacklisting illegal as part of the 1999 Employment Relations Act but the regulations were never introduced on the grounds that the Government believed blacklisting no longer existed, said Ucatt.


Mr Ritchie said: "Blacklisting remains rampant in the 21st century. We will be writing to the Government immediately, demanding that they bring forward the existing regulations and introduce them into law immediately. It is the only way to protect the rights of trade union members."


Labour MP John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington) said: "This latest expose of blacklisting demonstrates that blacklisting is still rampant in some industries. The Government must act swiftly now to outlaw blacklisting once and for all.


"It is widely suspected that the Government caved in under pressure from employers' organisations when I raised this issue last time in Parliament.


"This new evidence demonstrates that the Government needs to act, and act now, to prevent this discrimination that can blight the lives of many workers."


Mr Smith told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It was a wide range of information about these workers, but not the sort of thing that you or I would want down about us.


"Some of it was to do with trade union membership, some of it could be used to unlawfully discriminate against people. It was the sort of information that nobody had a chance to correct or put their side on it.


"There are some indications that those who raised genuine safety concerns may have been prejudiced by this database."


Mr Smith explained the action being taken by the Information Commissioner's Office: "We are prosecuting the owner of this business, the Consulting Association, because he should have been registered with our office and he wasn't and that is a criminal offence. That's a clear prosecution.


"The construction companies that were his customers, we have to investigate and find out just what their involvement is, but we are looking to take enforcement proceedings against those who were involved and that will put them on notice that if they get involved in this illegal trade again, then they will face prosecution.


"What's so disappointing about this case is that we have got most of the major names in the construction industry there. They must have known that they were doing wrong. If not, why run this database underground? It has been going for 15 years.


"We wouldn't expect that sort of illegal activity from household names. Leaders of businesses really must get the message that they have got to take their data protection responsibilities seriously. They can't flout the law."


Business Secretary Lord Mandelson told BBC Breakfast: "I'm sorry the practices have taken place but I welcome the fact that the information commissioner, on the basis of the legislation that already exists, has stepped in and taken the action that he has.


"He will need to look into this further to see whether these practices are more widespread and take the appropriate action, as he's already done in this case.


"I'm glad the information commissioner has stepped in and the Government will certainly support him in any further measures he needs to take."


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www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/holiday-systems-international-c103310.html


 


This is my response to this.  It works both ways.  There could be legitimate reasons to black list a potential employee, but the other side of this coin is there are also bad companies out there too!  If this above company were allowed to black list employees how much damage could this cause for innocent people?  I worked for this company all of 7 days before I could not take it anymore.  Please read everything on this board because there are replies from the company itself.  When companies like this are allowed to continue in business and treat their employees this way, giving them the opportunity to black list you is horrible!  Most everything you read here I can vouch for that I either heard or witnessed myself while employeed there.  I would not want them to have the ablitity to put me on a blacklist because I stood up for myself and decided I was not going to be treated this way.


 


It seems with today's economy the way it is, more and more employers are taking way too much advantage of their employees with the notion in mind that if you don't want to put up with the crap, there are a lot of unemployed people out there that will.

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Article 3 Part 1


By Jon Kelly

BBC News



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Workers accused of theft or damage could soon find themselves blacklisted on a register to be shared among employers. It will be good for profits but campaigners say innocent people could find it impossible to get another job.


To critics it sounds like a scenario from some Orwellian nightmare.


An online database of workers accused of theft and dishonesty, regardless of whether they have been convicted of any crime, which bosses can access when vetting potential employees.


But this is no dystopian fantasy. Later this month, the National Staff Dismissal Register (NSDR) is expected to go live. <!-- S IBOX -->






Individuals would be treated as criminals, even though the police have never been contacted



Hannah Reed of the TUC




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Organisers say that major companies including Harrods, Selfridges and Reed Managed Services have already signed up to the scheme. By the end of May they will be able to check whether candidates for jobs have faced allegations of stealing, forgery, fraud, damaging company property or causing a loss to their employers and suppliers.


Workers sacked for these offences will be included on the register, regardless of whether police had enough evidence to convict them. Also on the list will be employees who resigned before they could face disciplinary proceedings at work.


The project has attracted little publicity. But the BBC News website can reveal that trade unions and civil liberties campaigners are warning that it leaves workers vulnerable to the threat of false accusations.


TUC policy officer Hannah Reed says that while criminal activity in the workplace can never be condoned, she fears such a system is open to abuse.<!-- S IBOX -->





WHAT WILL GET YOU ON IT


Theft or attempted theft of money, merchandise or property from company, suppliers or customers

Falsification or forgery of documents

Fraudulently obtaining money, services or information

Damaging company property




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"The TUC is seriously concerned that this register can only lead to people being shut out from the job market by an employer who falsely accuses them of misconduct or sacks them because they bear them a grudge. Individuals would be treated as criminals, even though the police have never been contacted.


"The Criminal Records Bureau was set up to assist employers to make safe appointments when recruiting staff to work with vulnerable groups. The CRB already provides appropriate and properly regulated protection for employers. Under the new register, an employee may not be aware they have been blacklisted or have any right to appeal."


James Welch, the legal director of human rights group Liberty, also says that he is concerned that the register does not offer sufficient redress to the falsely accused.


"This scheme appears to bypass existing laws which protect employees by limiting the circumstances when information about possible criminal activity can be shared with potential employers."


Data protection


The register is an initiative of Action Against Business Crime (AABC), which was established as a joint venture between the Home Office and the British Retail Consortium "to set up and maintain business crime reduction partnerships". The Home Office says it stopped funding the scheme last year, having granted it almost £1m during its first three years. A Home Office spokeswoman says the register is a "commercial scheme" and it was not consulted.

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Set up by Surrey-based firm Hicom Business Solutions, the database will allow employers to search for potential workers by name, address, date of birth, national insurance number and previous employer.


Records on individuals - accessible online via an encrypted password system - will be kept for a five-year period and can include photos.


Mike Schuck, chief executive of AABC, says that theft by members of staff costs the British economy billions of pounds each year and rejects the notion that the register is a blacklist.


He says that all participating companies will be obliged to abide by the Data Protection Act and that workers named on the database, maintained by AABC, will have the right to change their entries if they are inaccurate.


Should a dispute take place between an employee and an employer about whether an incident occurred, Mr Schuck adds, the worker will be able to appeal to the Information Commissioner's Office.


"We are limiting access to the database to employers who can comply with the Information Commissioner's employment practices code," he says. "We're not going to allow Mr Smith's hardware store. We're quite open about this. People will be told when they apply for jobs that they may be checked as part of the application process.


"Theft in the workplace hurts staff as much as employers because it puts everyone under suspicion."


Nonetheless, many workers may get a nasty surprise when old allegations return to haunt them when they next apply for a job.

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All I have to say is wow!!! Like we say mean girls grow up to be mean women. What if we get on one's bad side... Then everyone jumps on the good old bandwagon and judges the book by it's cover. What could of been a number 1 seller did not even make the top 10 list all do to no one truly reading the book and giving it an honest review. What happened to equal opportunity or is that something that looks good on paper that employers state and then close the door and become hipocrits. I say the employers who participate in such a distateful thing should be blacklisted them selves. Who are the employers that part take in this? I am sure it is affected by us consumers some how and maybe they should be blacklisted.

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not good.

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Is their any way to access this on the web?

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Whether there is a database or not, the practice is as old as the network and it's implementation can be relatively untraceable.  As long as you have angry unforgiving people, moody people, honory people, liars, jealous vindictive people who will do anything to prevent someone that they know is better than them from getting ahead, racist people, religious bigots and people who just generally get up on the wrong side of the bed, oh yeah, and the truly guilty - YOU WILL HAVE BLACKLISTING.  Sometimes life is not fair, take the lemons and make lemonade.  In the end, the liars will get theirs, the angry unforgiving will get theirs, in short, live by the Blacklist, die by the blacklist.  Wasn't Bill Gates blacklisted???  LOL