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Angie Harmon is not afraid to come out and say she doesn’t like how President Obama is handling the job — but she’s sick of having to defend herself from being deemed a racist.

"Here's my problem with this, I'm just going to come out and say it. If I have anything to say against Obama it's not because I'm a racist, it's because I don't like what he's doing as President and anybody should be able to feel that way, but what I find now is that if you say anything against him you're called a racist," Harmon told Tarts at Thursday’s Los Angeles launch of the new eyelash-growing formula, Latisse. "But it has nothing to do with it, I don’t care what color he is. I’m just not crazy about what he's doing and I heard all about this, and he’s gonna do that and change and change, so okay … I'm still dressing for a recession over here buddy and we've got unemployment at an all-time high and that was his number one thing and that's the thing I really don't appreciate. If I'm going to disagree with my President, that doesn't make me a racist. If I was to disagree with W, that doesn't make me racist. It has nothing to do with it, it is ridiculous."

I know I feel this this way. And I think alot of Americans feel this way right now.

So , what do you guys think?

Or how do you girls feel about it?

Jay,

1) I wanna say Thank You sooo much for commenting. I have been waiting for someone, anyone to at least comment. so again thank you.

 And 2) I am one of those people that does disagree with the president. But I as well as most that disagree with him understand that he is only one person. And like he said last nite, it's not like he can go in there and tell congree and the Senate "Do this and Do that" and it get done. People for one disagree immensly in his very bad choice of People that he has placed in offices.Those in his Administration and just about all his advisors. Just because people disagree with Him and HIS administration as well as the Democratic controlled House (Which has been for 8years).I don't think they should be called racist.

Jeanna Garafolo went on the Olberman Show a few weeks back and said about the people at Tea Parties,  I quote...."They are racists, and any MINORITIES that went to a Tea Party has STOCKHOLM Syndrome". And Olberman was just and agreed.

I am a minority and I went to a Tea Party because I disagree with the policies or our Government, not just Obama. I feel he is still following the policies of the previous Administration and that he has broken the most important promises that he made during his run last year. Many people speaking out aginst the Administration and Gov have very good reasons and are still called racist and by Garafolo's term "Stockholm Syndrome" (which is a sudo-intelligentual term for "Uncle Tom"). That any minority Black or otherwise has not the brain capacity or ability to disagree with someone or something other then what the Democratic and the Liberals tell them to. That a minority basically HAS to be told what to think, because they can not make a decision for themselves.To me that is being a racist.

I am not a racist for not ageeing with the President. I disagree because I do have the ability to think for myself ,a conscience to lay out all the facts that I have before me and decide for myself what I feel is right and wrong. Not just as a minority, not just as a woman, but as an American. I respect anyone's belief that if they think the Government, not just the President, as a whole is moving in the best interest of the country and it's people, then fine that is what you beleive. But if I disagree I am called a racist or worst. I was actually on one site and I disagreed with what was being discussed and was called a KKK memeber and "Would make a good concentration camp guard". I'm not a Nazi, I am not even Germany. I'm bi-racial. This is what is being thrown at people. Whether it is the first 100days or first term, this is a real problem that is happening in the media (ie. Cnn, NBC, ABC etc.)and on the streets.

Oh yeah, before I forget i am a middle class American, and there are alot more middle class Americans that disagree with the Governemnts actions on taxes, rights, etc. Because no matter what the rich never truly have to pay for anyhting in any society.It will fall back on the middle class and even the poor as it has done for over 15 years.

I don't think you are a racist if you disagree with Obama.  There are several things that I disagree with him doing like bowing to muslims. Yes I am sure that it is a sign of respect, but not to the extent that he was doing it.  Also Obama is favoring one world currency, I don't agree with that either. 

But to disagree with Obama, I really don't feel that you are racist.

Okay i'm back.You had a lot of stuff to address.

 

I am certainly not calling you a racist, however, I just think that before we start giving him grades, we must be mindful that he is just trying to clean up alot of mess that the previous administration (that you said you had a problem with) did.  Bush has demoted the U.S to a laughing stock of the free world and we must pick up the reputation that has been so negative for the past decade or so.  So, let's let a year or two go by before we start ridiculing our Leader. 

 Actually,and this just how I see it,but we became a laughing stock so to speak when we told the UN "You ain't going do anything about this,then we are!" after  9/11. The UN is extremely corrupt in my opinion and it's my personal opinion from watching them for over 15 years that we should limit our ties with them. we are the biggest financial supporter and give them BILLIONS a year to operate. If it was not for the US there would be no UN.And no one at the Tea Parties disagrees with Bush started the bailout's. But our money woes have been mounting since Clinton. (see Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) But what Obama has allowed,not done himself,but ALLOWED to happen in just the fews months in office in scary. People forget the Democrats have held control of the House and Senate for 8 of the 10 years Bush was in Office. 8! So when will the as well as the republicans be held responisible for their role in this........still waiting......

And the "Tea Party" has nothing to do with the Boston Tea Party.  Where were all these "TEA" parties when Bush was around??  Where were all these angry people when Bush gave out a $800 billion stimulus package to hungry corporate executives???? Where in the world where all of these "angry" Americans?  Tell me what has Obama done so wrong, that would cause all of these people to be angry...

We where there. Bush did not start the bailout crap until the end of his term. we were waiting and hoping,and praying that Obama would stop the Insanity! It didn't happen. And we broke. All he had to do was put the bakes on. Just for a second...and rationaly look at what was happening. Bush only released 350 billlion before he left office. Obama could have said  "You know,that guy was a prike! Let's really fix this" Instead he handed over the responsible of to Pelosi,who let the greedy,on both sides,cronies have at it. Making it a Merry freakin Christmas for all except the American people,we got coal in our stockings. We are angry and we are angry for the right reasons. WE HAVE REASONS! It's just once again no one is listening. Not the Congree. Not the Senate. And not the President. No matter his color he is politican.Period. And they are in it for themselves. Relatively, almost and I say almost, all the jobs created and saved have been governemnt jobs. Anything else will be short lived. Unless we start talking to EACH other instead of listening to these Fools in office,who are career and Hollywood.

One more they need term limits! Have you seen how old some of those dudes are like in their 80's man. Look at Biden, dud'es been there for like 35 years. No matter the President the Congree and Senate out live him. They hold the control,not him. But he can at least try to stand up to them....just try!

Okay I think that's it......you need water....I need a Whiskey!

I really hope that even if you or anyone else disagrees with the statements that I have made. Will at least research the informaiton. And if you do go out side your comfort zone.

There is a quote in the Koran.....

"Even your enemy can speak the truth"

....well something like that.....

 

okay, so i want to retracked my statement on Cuba to some extent. After I posted the response to Jay I had a nice long talk w/my BFF and soundboard (My Husband) He agrees with you Jay that Cuba has been one of our most dangerous enemies due to the political atomsphere there and the proximty to the US,along w/ties to Russia and now Venezsuela. Anytime I make a statement or throw info out there,I want to amke it very clear I am more then ready to say 'I am wrong" if information is presented to me that proves itself to be true. That is whhy I keep on keep on with issues like this ....I want someone to prove me wrong...I want someone to present me with hard evidence that will change my perception of the world. So with that said Jay you are right and I agree with you on the cuba issue.

When you object to someone's approach to problem solving, that's a philosophical difference - not racism.  Sounds like you disagree with Obama's philosophy - everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I think Obama is a very serious person who sincerely cares about this country's well-being - and is exactly the right person to lead us - but then, philosophically - I agree with him - so I support his efforts.   

I know how it feels to watch your government (president) take your country down a path you feel (so strongly) is the wrong one.  There are so many problems that have been left to brew for so long - it's going to take time to turn things around.  We'll see how things go - there are many people here in Washington who only want what benefits them - if anything gets in the way of Obama's agenda - it will be the politicians - of both parties - behaving as we humans tend to do.

jespinoza1978 says ...The problem is not difference in ideals. The race baiting is being dictated by the media, i.e. CNN,NBC,ABC etc.

I'll have to listen more carefully from now on - I don't hear them even implying this - but - I also agree in broad strokes, for years, corporate media has behaved very irresponsibly when reporting the news.  I mean - where's the news - you get up in the morning - news broadcasters read the new stuff off of the AP and that's all the news you get for the rest of the day, from anyone - anywhere!  Again - it's the slant - Fox for conservatives - MSNBC for liberals and what we "philosophically" hear -- I can't listen to Fox - I think they are blantantly racist, sexist - homophobic!  That's what I hear from them. 

I will take your comments to heart and listen more carefully to the news programs I like and look for this "race baiting" you're complaining about.  Worst case - drop them an email and make your case for fairness and in the meantime - don't listen to the shows you know offend you. 

As an aside  - I'm not defending the media but in their defense we have access now to 24/7 newscasts -- and in between the tradiional times for news programming - they gotta talk about something so they just go on and on.  I get up in the morning listen to weather and traffic and flip the TV off for the day.

No i agree with you it is what you hear.But I have heard racist remrks and total race baiting on CNN and such. More from the likes of Maher and Olberman, so I can't say it is all of the programs. I am a minority and I have never heard anything racist come from Foxs. I used to hate them,but that was becuase I took what other outlets were saying about them to be the truth. And would never look at the whole picture of what was being said. So I made a deal with a buddy of mine to listen open minded for two weeks. And I tell you what I never heard one thing sexist or racist or homophobic on there. Trust me I don't like admitting defeat on anything I feel strongly about, but you can never be blinded to what's true. I really need to get that Jeanne Garafalo thing to work were she calls all minorities that disagree w/Obama as having "Stockholm Syndrome" that I felt was racist. But that is me. And all the things that were said about Hillary and Palin during the elections I found to be sexist as well. I just go were the information is.

But the media truns the way it is ultimiate paid to turn. Everybody complains about Murdock . But look at Soros.To should all start looking at things objectively.Instead with our emotions. But's just what I have seen.

NHK - Japan channel is also good for world news - if you can get it.

Just wanted to address a few things. 

1) It's not racist if you just disagree with him.  I'm WAY more to the left than he is as a communist so there's a lot I disagree with him on.  As other's have said he's just one person and he can't control what Congress does or doesn't pass and the same with the Senate.  Even with Arlen Specter he's just a selfish person and isn't going to work with Obama.  However if you have seen a lot of the video's whether on tv or the internet of these opposition rallies a lot of what they say is racist.  I remember seeing one video of a guy at a McCain/Palin rally holding up a monkey and calling him Obama.  That's a very well known racist slur against African-Americans and considering the person's age I'm sure he probably has at least heard of that.  Also the woman at the McCain rally who said she didn't trust Obama because she thought he was an Arab and then McCain said he wasn't an Arab and was a decent person.  So Arabs can't be decent people? And that's not racist? 

2) Most of the people at the so-called "tea parties" were racist.  Also litter bugs and polluters. 

3) To Jay do you know what a stimulus bill is?  It's to spend and to get out of the red.  Do you know why we had the Great Depression?  Because Hoover didn't do what Obama is doing and it got worse.  Cuba is our worst enemy?  And here I thought all this time it was Russia or Iran lol.  Make up y'alls minds.  Cuba has never invaded anyone and the only reason why they almost did back in the 60's is because of communication issues with technology.  Oh and Raul is NOT Fidel.  As someone else said about Guntanamo that is very correct.  Our government gives the government of Cuba a check to keep the place.   I love it when people who aren't in law enforcement say that prison of any kind is some sort of Heaven. I'm studying law enforcement now and can tell you it's NOT Heaven.  Plus if you ever do get out your life is pretty much ruined.  Good luck getting a job.  And at Guntanamao there was torture including sexual abuse of not only men but women and children as well.  You might want to look at the REAL evidence of that place before you call it Heaven.  You wouldn't be able to survive a single day through what the "prisoners" have really gone through.  Oh and a lot of them haven't even been charged with any sort of crime and are denied lawyers and access to one.   Over 600 have already been released because they were innocent.  Try reading your Constitution please. Why should we be in Afghanistan? They had nothing to do with 9/11.  15/19 hijackers were from SAUDI ARABIA.  Usama BinLadin is a Saudi and supposedly in Pakistan now but they're our bestest friends.   Why aren't we invading Saudi Arabia?  The Taliban and those of AlQida are two different groups.  The Taliban is more about government and Shaira Law while AlQida is fighting a spiritual battle.

4) What's with this bowing down to Muslim's crap?  You do know he's very tall right and the Saudi King isn't?  You also know that George Bush KISSED the same man and held his hand walking through the White House garden right?  Were you upset at THAT?  And when George Bush was running for president in 2000 the TALIBAN visited Texas and toured around the state at important business places.    Look up something called B.C.C.I.  There's more connection with Muslim's there than with Obama shaking hands with one.  And that is religious bigotry. 

5) How do you know that nobody knew what was in it?  It was on the White House website for everyone to read if they wanted to.  Just because Sean Hannity says something doesn't mean it's true.  What a joke.  They also have staff who read it as well.  Obama's budget is lower than that of Ronald Reagan's.

I am a Tea Party goer.And I once consider myself on left and I am a Minority, not just a woman. There were black's not only there but who were putting them together and were speakers along with people of all backgrounds. Tea Parties are not Racist!

Until you got to and actually listen with an open mind as to what they are saying then I donot think you can say we are racist. EVERY group has those it's extremist. And we also had problems with people from the left coming in with signs like that and saying crazy things to the media to make US look bad. Also the media only found the most outrageous signs and people to cover along with downgraded how many people acutually showed up. I am NO racist, and I DONOT have STOCKHOLM SYNDROME, and although I see many of your points. There are many things like the sexual abuse of women and children that I have no valid info to go by. Amnesty has not put anything out there about that and I am a follower of human rights violations.Everything from UN abuses to the GLBT tortures and killings going on in Iraq right now.

It was said by the President himself in one of his MANY televised conferences that not even he knew what was in the bill. I don't just take things because someone tells me so. I make sure and look at all information. I tried more than several times within the five day period that it was supposedly out there on the Gov sites to look it up and it was not there. PEriod. I had friends and family members who are liberals and Dems try to look it up and there was nothing (cause we were aguing about it).

That is simply a fact. And Jay is right those guys in Gitmo get better treatment then the American citizens. They are not citizens, we have our own constitution, not a worldly constitution. They are not citizens and are therefore they are not entitled to those rights. Now with that said should we follow the Convention. Yes. But does anyone else in the World NO! Not even Britian. Do the Taliban or  AlQida follow by any Human rights laws International or otherwise when they kidnap Americans and Non-Mulisms.Torture them and behead them on videos.

"The Taliban is more about government and Shaira Law while AlQida is fighting a spiritual battle."

If the Taliban is a government force then it should be brought to the UN under Human Rights charges for all of it's violations. Throwing acid on little girl's so they are too terrorified to go to school, torturing and killing Homosexuals in a horrible gruesome way (which I think might be to offense to even post. But if want info on it I will happy to send the info.) That surmounts to a genocide that could commpete w/Hilter. al-Quida is not fighting a religious battle. It is looking to extinguish anyone who does not follow their Sharia type laws including other Muslims. Youknow Fox actually covers most of these stories before the mainstream media ever even looks at it. Not onl;y that they are calling for the UN, on behalf onf those groups including Homosexuals,to be charged by the UN. But the mainstream media is busy covering what the President is wearing or what kind of dog they get.

I also want to make it very clear that not all mUlisms believe in the horrible violence that is being perputrated by these groups. And FoxsNews also makes that asertion. They have many Mulism groups on to talk about the problems of their communities and how we can come together to resolve them.

But this is not just about Foxsnews. It is about a windstorm of media and elitist that are hammering down on the average American about their stances on the issues of our Country. And labeling groups as hate groups as a means of division and intimidation to keep people quiet. I listen to a lot of news and personally spend time to research ever issue I stand one. And there are more people out there are doing that. And many of them are Tea Party goers.

jespinoza1978 says ...

I am a Tea Party goer.And I once consider myself on left and I am a Minority, not just a woman. There were black's not only there but who were putting them together and were speakers along with people of all backgrounds. Tea Parties are not Racist!

Until you got to and actually listen with an open mind as to what they are saying then I donot think you can say we are racist. EVERY group has those it's extremist. And we also had problems with people from the left coming in with signs like that and saying crazy things to the media to make US look bad. Also the media only found the most outrageous signs and people to cover along with downgraded how many people acutually showed up. I am NO racist, and I DONOT have STOCKHOLM SYNDROME, and although I see many of your points. There are many things like the sexual abuse of women and children that I have no valid info to go by. Amnesty has not put anything out there about that and I am a follower of human rights violations.Everything from UN abuses to the GLBT tortures and killings going on in Iraq right now.

It was said by the President himself in one of his MANY televised conferences that not even he knew what was in the bill. I don't just take things because someone tells me so. I make sure and look at all information. I tried more than several times within the five day period that it was supposedly out there on the Gov sites to look it up and it was not there. PEriod. I had friends and family members who are liberals and Dems try to look it up and there was nothing (cause we were aguing about it).

That is simply a fact. And Jay is right those guys in Gitmo get better treatment then the American citizens. They are not citizens, we have our own constitution, not a worldly constitution. They are not citizens and are therefore they are not entitled to those rights. Now with that said should we follow the Convention. Yes. But does anyone else in the World NO! Not even Britian. Do the Taliban or  AlQida follow by any Human rights laws International or otherwise when they kidnap Americans and Non-Mulisms.Torture them and behead them on videos.

"The Taliban is more about government and Shaira Law while AlQida is fighting a spiritual battle."

If the Taliban is a government force then it should be brought to the UN under Human Rights charges for all of it's violations. Throwing acid on little girl's so they are too terrorified to go to school, torturing and killing Homosexuals in a horrible gruesome way (which I think might be to offense to even post. But if want info on it I will happy to send the info.) That surmounts to a genocide that could commpete w/Hilter. al-Quida is not fighting a religious battle. It is looking to extinguish anyone who does not follow their Sharia type laws including other Muslims. Youknow Fox actually covers most of these stories before the mainstream media ever even looks at it. Not onl;y that they are calling for the UN, on behalf onf those groups including Homosexuals,to be charged by the UN. But the mainstream media is busy covering what the President is wearing or what kind of dog they get.

I also want to make it very clear that not all mUlisms believe in the horrible violence that is being perputrated by these groups. And FoxsNews also makes that asertion. They have many Mulism groups on to talk about the problems of their communities and how we can come together to resolve them.

But this is not just about Foxsnews. It is about a windstorm of media and elitist that are hammering down on the average American about their stances on the issues of our Country. And labeling groups as hate groups as a means of division and intimidation to keep people quiet. I listen to a lot of news and personally spend time to research ever issue I stand one. And there are more people out there are doing that. And many of them are Tea Party goers.

 

Yes tea parties are racist.  Why do you think the KKK and other white suprmacy groups were there too and getting membership?  The only people who can possibly make that claim are Libertarians who are just rightwingers who want to smoke weed.  Do you think I care if you're white, black, red, green purple?  No.  I don't.  You could have gone to anything and everything I don't care.  It's the majority of the people who are there and the organizers and the intent.  They don't give two craps about anything.  From people I've talked to who have been there people were there protesting all types of crap.  It was so not organized.  Rightwingers can never again talk smack about left wing protest's and being organized. 

What are you talking about?  GLBT tortures and UN?  None of that makes any sense at all.

Oh please are you kidding me?  People can edit t.v. video you know.  Uh yes it was there.  You're lying.

Once again are you in law enforcement?  Do you know anything about prison's even American prison's?  You know nothing about U.S. law do you?  I do so let me educate you.  The so-called prisoner's are on U.S. Soil in U.S. Custody.  They are prisoner's and you have to charge people with a crime or you let them go.  There have been over 100's of prisoner's who have been released because they had nothing and were just rounded up or someone who had a vengence told lies for cash.  Gitmo is a filth hole with lots of abuse not just physical but psychological which is just as bad.  Here in the U.S. there have been cases thrown out when a suspect was released because he/she wasn't read their Miranda rights and a whole investigation was thrown out whether the person was guilty or innocent.  LOL so when you did something wrong did your Mama let you get away with that excuse? "Oh everyone else does it so can I!"  Did you know even Ronald Reagan when he was president signed an agreement stating we don't torture? 

Why do you think you have to tell me about the Taliban?  Do you think it's easy to bring up a govt for charges of abuse?  It's not very easy and the UN doesn't have much legal power or a military to enforce what they say.  In 1968 they told Israel to stop occupying Ghaza.  How'd that work out?

Fox has Muslim's on?  When?  Prove it.  I've never seen a single Muslim on Fox.

Psst if you're a hate group you're a hate group.  Were you out there screaming when George Bush was spying and infiliterating left wing groups like anti-war groups and the Quakers?  I bet not.  Or how about back in the McCarthy crap when he was going after us scary commies?  Did you know it's still illegal in a lot of states to even be a member of the Communist Party?  Why don't I have the same first amendment right as Joe Scmoe to be a republican or democrat?  And I guess you missed the three people who recently did terrorism because they were listening to rightwing moron's like Hannity and Beck and Limbaugh and went and killed people.  A guy who killed people at a children's play in a UU church in TN and the two people who recently killed cops. But no that's not hate speech.

No actually he didn't. which right i have to cook dinner. But if you are willing to do information exchange I would be more than happy to that.Which I looked back over this and seems that I have promised a couple of other references that I need to get on. So gimme some time I should get it here soon.

but if I am wrong I will say so.

According to the tracking polles on cnn and fox (see I took both sides  polls) people want to like him and want to suport him because he is our president but even though he tracked high at 64% on the popularity polls, when they were broken down by both news sources over 72% of most Americans do not like his policies, Do not like the fact that most everyone he has apointed are tax evaders and have not been thrown in jail like you or I would be for the same offence. Most  do not agree with him weakening or country in the face of the world, (Jimmy Carter style) and lastly most do not like the bailouts and what has happened with the mony these companies were given(new offices, paid billions over seas, paying lobbiests, new stadiums, celebraty golf tournaments, contributing to election campagons, pork barrel spending, golden parachutes, the list goes on and on. Where is the transperancy we were promissed, where are the controlls? why did no one in congress nor the president read the bailout packages in there intierty, before voting to spend money they did not have to spend? where were the line item cuts we were prommissed. I could go on for hours.

I have not seen yet a pole on the fly by at New york yet, or the millions in airline expences he is drawing up for his jaunts to town hall meetings and entertainment shows like Jay Leno show. So I will not comment on that yet. We did not get tax cuts by the way, we got the income tax % lowered and moved to you gas, real estate, electric bill and more items which neted in an increase. And taxess will be raised, as our dollar value lowers, also inflation will be going up shortly, along with our income tax bills, they have to to sustain the spending that is happening. I also am not a racist I believe in what ben Franklin said a penny saved is a penny earned, I beleive in the Constitution of the United States as it was written. I am an Independant voter and beleive we need term limits, Congress now is an old boys school, I beleive it was William Pain that said (but I could be wrong) That "In a democracy the goverment should fear the people not the people fear the government."  this is one way of saying the government works for us folks we should not be working for them.

lifecoach says ...

Congress now is an old boys school, I beleive it was William Pain that said (but I could be wrong) That "In a democracy the goverment should fear the people not the people fear the government."  this is one way of saying the government works for us folks we should not be working for them.

It is Thomas Paine book "Common Sense" Awesome Book! At must read for a political library.